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[Honor]

It's to bad because as you have seen LEE could have brought MANY new players to this game and we would have subscribed as well.  LEE's total membership is close to the total number of active players in this game, we have been together for over 7 years.  But after much talk within our ranks we have decided that we cannot devote time to a game that isn't up to our standards of fair play and fun.

Here is why we have come to this conclusion,

1) No upkeep anymore....this has totally killed any possibility for a smaller player to achieve top rank. Mathematically it's now impossible for any player to rise to top ten rank. The lock that the larger players have is ironclad now.  So with no chance to rise in rank....why play?

2) The forum is only about  being a nazi about content control. You can't build a community if you don't even let people talk to one another. And don't give us that crap about only stopping spam......you have deleted people's posts for no other reason then being in charge. There was no spam...just people having fun talking.  BTW...even though I'm not calling any names out...I don't think it takes a genius to figure out who is the one mostly responsible for it.  So why post?

3) The games code is flawed.......I wake up to find that all my ships are gone...I've lost over 2 mill in pop and there is NO BATTLE REPORTS???   I'm not the only one this has happened to. Also did you guys know it's pretty easy to read another players in game messages?  It only takes a little manipulation of the game. A serious coding flaw.  So why play?

4)Fake accounts and farming......just bad things to allow in a game.

Now we thought that these things were just because of a ongoing game changes and a overly enthusiastic mod. Those things we can deal with........until I had a conversation with one of the developers......it seems that all the top players are friends with the developers...which by itself is a great thing...if the game is kept fair and balanced for all players. In this case however, it's more about keeping buddies in the top spots and not about growing the game.

We guess that's the way the developers want it....and it's your game so you have that right....but honestly...we're not sure why you would put this much work into something only to design it as a wanking session for your buddies.



Maybe the 2 guys who develop this game didn't mean for it to be this way.....but it is the way it is.

[crapshoot]

It's to bad because as you have seen LEE could have brought MANY new players to this game and we would have subscribed as well.  LEE's total membership is close to the total number of active players in this game, we have been together for over 7 years.  But after much talk within our ranks we have decided that we cannot devote time to a game that isn't up to our standards of fair play and fun.

LEE???

Here is why we have come to this conclusion,

1) No upkeep anymore....this has totally killed any possibility for a smaller player to achieve top rank. Mathematically it's now impossible for any player to rise to top ten rank. The lock that the larger players have is ironclad now.  So with no chance to rise in rank....why play?

On perma that can be a problem, although perma is better suited for learning the game so shooting for the top spot really isn't the goal.  To be fair, if top players wouldn't feed others ships it would make things better. but, the place to really compete is during the round. if you join the perma late, of course you're not going to move very high. on the round everyone starts off equal and then you compete.

2) The forum is only about  being a nazi about content control. You can't build a community if you don't even let people talk to one another. And don't give us that crap about only stopping spam......you have deleted people's posts for no other reason then being in charge. There was no spam...just people having fun talking.  BTW...even though I'm not calling any names out...I don't think it takes a genius to figure out who is the one mostly responsible for it.  So why post?

maybe i have been lucky, but i have never had that problem. if you have an example, please show us and the community can judge it and maybe change things. there are areas for general discussion and trash talk. if you're doing that in other areas then (and it's pretty standard practice) the posts are going to be moved or deleted.

3) The games code is flawed.......I wake up to find that all my ships are gone...I've lost over 2 mill in pop and there is NO BATTLE REPORTS???   I'm not the only one this has happened to. Also did you guys know it's pretty easy to read another players in game messages?  It only takes a little manipulation of the game. A serious coding flaw.  So why play?

so why not bring it to the attention of eldrad or l8u8k8e8 so they can look at it and even try to fix it?

4)Fake accounts and farming......just bad things to allow in a game.

you could report that, and they will look at it. if you have specific examples then show them. a lot of accounts are created by people to see what the game is like and then don't return. personally, i haven't seen any of it, but please do point them out.

Now we thought that these things were just because of a ongoing game changes and a overly enthusiastic mod. Those things we can deal with........until I had a conversation with one of the developers......it seems that all the top players are friends with the developers...which by itself is a great thing...if the game is kept fair and balanced for all players. In this case however, it's more about keeping buddies in the top spots and not about growing the game.

We guess that's the way the developers want it....and it's your game so you have that right....but honestly...we're not sure why you would put this much work into something only to design it as a wanking session for your buddies.

the developers and some of the top players are friends because the majority of them have been involved/playing CW since it was created. i have been playing since before l8u8k8e8 and eldrad took over and do you see me anywhere near the top?

Maybe the 2 guys who develop this game didn't mean for it to be this way.....but it is the way it is.

frankly, until you can show some examples, let alone proof, you sound like you're complaining because you aren't winning. and, accusing the two guys that are doing this for FREE is pretty low. just ask yourself/selves, to what end?! this game has always been about fun and i have know most of these players for a long time. none of them need this to give their life meaning. so, in short, put up or stop crying. don't like it? then go. just don't whine and make accusations because you aren't on top.

[L8u8k8e8]

1) No upkeep anymore....this has totally killed any possibility for a smaller player to achieve top rank. Mathematically it's now impossible for any player to rise to top ten rank. The lock that the larger players have is ironclad now.  So with no chance to rise in rank....why play?

Upkeep is coming back for the perma, or rather, another system is coming back that will replace the function of upkeep while not actively removing m/e from the player.

Yes, this does temporarily mess up the perma, but the round is the primary game, the perma just arose out of some people wanting it to exist. I've even considered shutting it down multiple times, but people just want a perma server.

2) The forum is only about  being a nazi about content control. You can't build a community if you don't even let people talk to one another. And don't give us that crap about only stopping spam......you have deleted people's posts for no other reason then being in charge. There was no spam...just people having fun talking.  BTW...even though I'm not calling any names out...I don't think it takes a genius to figure out who is the one mostly responsible for it.  So why post?

I've only deleted people's actual spam. If people are talking in a thread, I don't really care. But if it's a one off post that is completely random in respect to anything that happened in that topic, then yeah, I'm gonna delete it. Admittedly, maybe we should have some delete-safe threads where people can do pretty much whatever, and it's not the best, but I don't have that much time to spend moderating it.

3) The games code is flawed.......I wake up to find that all my ships are gone...I've lost over 2 mill in pop and there is NO BATTLE REPORTS???   I'm not the only one this has happened to. Also did you guys know it's pretty easy to read another players in game messages?  It only takes a little manipulation of the game. A serious coding flaw.  So why play?

The BR thing was because of a coding change I made. I have no clue how it broke the messaging system, but as soon as I was made aware of the problem I woke up and went to my computer to immediately fix it.

A lot of the core code of the game is old and written by a past developer. If you'd let me know where these flaws exists I would be glad to look at them and fix them.

4)Fake accounts and farming......just bad things to allow in a game.

Again, let me know and I'll fix it, I can't fix things I don't know about.

Now we thought that these things were just because of a ongoing game changes and a overly enthusiastic mod. Those things we can deal with........until I had a conversation with one of the developers......it seems that all the top players are friends with the developers...which by itself is a great thing...if the game is kept fair and balanced for all players. In this case however, it's more about keeping buddies in the top spots and not about growing the game.

We guess that's the way the developers want it....and it's your game so you have that right....but honestly...we're not sure why you would put this much work into something only to design it as a wanking session for your buddies.



Maybe the 2 guys who develop this game didn't mean for it to be this way.....but it is the way it is.

I don't know who you talked to or how you got the impression that this game is biased in any way toward the top players. But let me put it this way. I have absolutely no clue who is in the top 10 on either server. I could go look yes, but off the top of my head, couldn't name a one. Why? Because I don't care who is winning. I care that you play, but if you win or not that is completely on you.

Yes, I'm friends with most of the top guys, but I never have, nor ever will, tailored the game to suit them. I am very annoyed that you feel I would be so unbiased and would come out and say so on the forum without first talking to me about it.

Honestly, pretty much all of your issues could have been solved if you had come to and talked to me about them. I'm happy to work on this game for free because I enjoy what I do. But when people come on the forum and complain about my work without so much as having talked to me about the issues they are complaining about... well... that just pisses me off...

[Wizard_of_OZ]

Didn't bother to read all that. I've heard it all before. Lee comes into a game that has been going on for over 2 years and expects to be top ten in a month. We have created a nearly impenetrable galaxy during that time, and Sinner is a nearly unbeatable alliance. I advised him to join the round, and instead he just wants to bitch. Everyone thought that Sinner was unbeatable a year or so ago. It wasn't. Everyone thought that WTF was unbeatable after that. It wasn't. Everyone thought that Rip was unbeatable. He wasn't. Everyone thought that RR was unbeatable. They weren't. Everyone thought that I was unbeatable a year or so ago. I wasnt. Sinner only had about 4 members about 8 months ago. Did I bitch about it? Too bad Lee wasn't here when perma started when Sinner was TCF. They would have quit then also. Sinner is gentle compared to TCF. TCF had no friends. lol

[General_Archer]

Wizard laid it out PERFECTLY!

[XenoSapien]

Firstly, I am new to CW as of about a week now.  In all the time that was a member of L.E.E., I have never seen Honor act or speak without rational thought. 

It is hard to imagine that he conducted baseless attacks without some sort of proof, and it would be best if he did show evidence to back himself up.  I guess to me, it's just hard to imagine that this is something he is making up.

You are right, L8.  You are too busy with bug fixes and game issues to know every single issue about all that goes on with CW.  Keep up the good work that you do, and hopefully in the future evidence of wrong-doing will be more lucid.

---Xeno

[General_Archer]

Like L8 said if there is a problem you need to let him know about it ASAP! I think people like honor like to complain. They are only happy when they are the VICTIM. Glad he's gone since he did nothing to inform L8 about the problems until he decided to leave. Also how often was honor himself, hacking the messages? Heh...

[Forseti]

I totally agree with Craps and Wiz!!!
However crying and running is always easier...

[Kael_Vonrik]

This always happens at least once a reset, i vote we reset the perma lol

[Wizard_of_OZ]

If we reset, it won't be perma anymore.

[Forseti]

Perma started Tue, 01 Jul 2008 - Day 747 of 833 ( 17649 ticks of 20000 )

[Parsona]

I vote we put Starwolf in charge of this game. I get endless entertainment out of every quote I've read from him. If he were in charge I could read things he says all the time!

[Samus_Aran]

Honor, wouldn't you say this is a bit rash? You have a good head on your shoulders. You don't need to get caught up in a rage.

Perma is not that important! It's what we do between rounds to not be bored and to see how the game needs to change. Generally, these kind of rampage result in very little, it is much more effective, and to the benefit of all players, to approach each bug or aspect you don't like calmly, usually starting with sending L8 or El a civilized msg. They always reply quickly.

I really hope you don't leave, you are a good player and CW could use more good players as yourself.

[Drazja]

Honor chill bro no reason to QQ .. ive played of and on now for a few years and things always change in the game. the reason that they do is because the community hashes it out instead of QQ'in' .. Hop in the round game and have some fun killing perma's top players


PS.. honor if ur done can i farm u?


PSS .. unrelated but u know who u are .. whoever u are dont delete this... how can i activate my tech tree on the test server i wanna mess around and check crap out

[Overmind]

On number 2.

2) No one is being a control freak. There are reasons spam is deleted, and why spam is unproductive to a community. You just don't let spam consume a forum. Have you ever been on a forum where there are several thousand posts being made each day? I bet not.

Deleting of spam is natural, and if you think people are being a control freak about moderating, then don't make spam posts. That is it. That solves all the spam posts. If you don't want to be moderated, then don't spam.